diff --git a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoLocation/GeoLocation.java b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoLocation/GeoLocation.java
index 9704387f..b4c918ff 100644
--- a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoLocation/GeoLocation.java
+++ b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoLocation/GeoLocation.java
@@ -20,6 +20,8 @@ import static org.cobbzilla.util.daemon.ZillaRuntime.*;
 @NoArgsConstructor @Accessors(chain=true) @ToString(of={"lat", "lon"})
 public class GeoLocation {
 
+    public static final GeoLocation NULL_LOCATION = new GeoLocation().setLat("-1.0").setLon("-1.0");
+
     @Getter @Setter private String country;
     public boolean hasCountry() { return !empty(country); }
 
diff --git a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoTime/GeoTimeZone.java b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoTime/GeoTimeZone.java
index 2ab5e3e3..a3cba338 100644
--- a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoTime/GeoTimeZone.java
+++ b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/cloud/geoTime/GeoTimeZone.java
@@ -13,6 +13,8 @@ import lombok.experimental.Accessors;
 @NoArgsConstructor @AllArgsConstructor @Accessors(chain=true)
 public class GeoTimeZone {
 
+    public static final GeoTimeZone UTC = new GeoTimeZone("Etc/UTC", "UTC", 0L);
+
     @Getter @Setter private String timeZoneId;
     @Getter @Setter private String standardName;
     @Getter @Setter private Long currentOffsetMs;
diff --git a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/model/cloud/RegionalServiceDriver.java b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/model/cloud/RegionalServiceDriver.java
index e6305143..2999a766 100644
--- a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/model/cloud/RegionalServiceDriver.java
+++ b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/model/cloud/RegionalServiceDriver.java
@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ public interface RegionalServiceDriver {
                     if (latLonIsValid) {
                         r.setDistance(latitude, longitude);
                     } else {
-                        r.setDistance(0);
+                        r.setDistance(-1);
                     }
                     allRegions.add(r);
                 }
@@ -74,12 +74,6 @@ public interface RegionalServiceDriver {
 
     List<CloudRegion> getRegions();
 
-    default List<CloudRegion> getRegionsExcluding(Collection<String> exclude) {
-        ArrayList<CloudRegion> filtered = new ArrayList<>(getRegions());
-        filtered.removeIf(r -> exclude.contains(r.getInternalName()) || exclude.contains(r.getName()));
-        return filtered;
-    }
-
     default List<CloudRegion> getRegions(BubbleFootprint footprint) {
         return getRegions().stream()
                 .filter(r -> footprint == null || footprint.isAllowedCountry(r.getLocation().getCountry()))
diff --git a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/DetectResource.java b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/DetectResource.java
index cdfc658e..76582725 100644
--- a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/DetectResource.java
+++ b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/DetectResource.java
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@
  */
 package bubble.resources;
 
+import bubble.cloud.CloudServiceType;
 import bubble.service.cloud.GeoService;
 import lombok.extern.slf4j.Slf4j;
 import org.glassfish.grizzly.http.server.Request;
@@ -20,8 +21,7 @@ import javax.ws.rs.core.Response;
 
 import static bubble.ApiConstants.*;
 import static org.cobbzilla.util.http.HttpContentTypes.APPLICATION_JSON;
-import static org.cobbzilla.wizard.resources.ResourceUtil.ok;
-import static org.cobbzilla.wizard.resources.ResourceUtil.optionalUserPrincipal;
+import static org.cobbzilla.wizard.resources.ResourceUtil.*;
 
 @Consumes(APPLICATION_JSON)
 @Produces(APPLICATION_JSON)
diff --git a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/cloud/CloudServiceRegionsResource.java b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/cloud/CloudServiceRegionsResource.java
index 375dc726..fab392dd 100644
--- a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/cloud/CloudServiceRegionsResource.java
+++ b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/resources/cloud/CloudServiceRegionsResource.java
@@ -82,7 +82,7 @@ public class CloudServiceRegionsResource {
             if (footprint == null) return notFound(footprintId);
         }
 
-        return ok(findClosestRegions(configuration, computeClouds(), footprint, loc.getLatitude(), loc.getLongitude()));
+        return ok(findClosestRegions(configuration, computeClouds(), footprint, loc.getLatitude(), loc.getLongitude(), null, geoService.supportsGeoLocation()));
     }
 
     public List<CloudRegion> findRegions(List<CloudService> clouds, BubbleFootprint footprint) {
diff --git a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/service/cloud/GeoService.java b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/service/cloud/GeoService.java
index 53ce2852..1f6e2b30 100644
--- a/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/service/cloud/GeoService.java
+++ b/bubble-server/src/main/java/bubble/service/cloud/GeoService.java
@@ -80,7 +80,8 @@ public class GeoService {
 
     public GeoLocation locate (String accountUuid, String ip, boolean cacheOnly) {
         if (!supportsGeoLocation()) {
-            throw invalidEx("err.geoLocateService.notFound");
+            log.warn("locate: no geoLocation cloud services defined, returning null location");
+            return GeoLocation.NULL_LOCATION;
         }
         final String cacheKey = hashOf(accountUuid, ip);
         return locateCache.computeIfAbsent(cacheKey, k -> {
@@ -103,8 +104,9 @@ public class GeoService {
     }
 
     private GeoLocation getLocation(String accountUuid, String ip, String cacheKey) {
-        if (!supportsGeoCode()) {
-            throw invalidEx("err.geoCodeService.notFound");
+        if (!supportsGeoLocation()) {
+            log.warn("getLocation: no geoLocation cloud services defined, returning null location");
+            return GeoLocation.NULL_LOCATION;
         }
         List<CloudService> geoLocationServices = null;
         if (accountUuid != null) {
@@ -128,7 +130,7 @@ public class GeoService {
             try {
                 final GeoLocation result = geo.getGeoLocateDriver(configuration).geolocate(ip);
                 if (result != null) {
-                    if (!result.hasLatLon()) {
+                    if (!result.hasLatLon() && supportsGeoCode()) {
                         if (geoCodeDriver == null) {
                             List<CloudService> geoCodeServices = null;
                             if (accountUuid != null) {
@@ -211,7 +213,8 @@ public class GeoService {
 
     public GeoTimeZone getTimeZone (final Account account, String ip) {
         if (!supportsGeoTime()) {
-            throw invalidEx("err.geoTimeService.notFound");
+            log.warn("getTimeZone: no geoTime clouds configured, returning UTC time zone");
+            return GeoTimeZone.UTC;
         }
         final AtomicReference<Account> acct = new AtomicReference<>(account);
         return timezoneCache.computeIfAbsent(ip, k -> {
@@ -289,9 +292,6 @@ public class GeoService {
     public CloudAndRegion selectCloudAndRegion(BubbleNetwork network,
                                                NetLocation netLocation,
                                                Collection<CloudAndRegion> exclude) {
-        if (!supportsGeoLocation()) {
-            throw invalidEx("err.geoLocateService.notFound");
-        }
         final CloudRegion closest;
         final String cloudUuid;
         if (netLocation.hasIp()) {
diff --git a/bubble-web b/bubble-web
index 6b016bdd..9cfcf662 160000
--- a/bubble-web
+++ b/bubble-web
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Subproject commit 6b016bdd3e0640cb31154ac39d33ac26f10e49ba
+Subproject commit 9cfcf6620419200505c9105c74cb256af80d1ce8